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    Dear Mr. Tromp,

    As webmaster, administrator and content writer of #PopHatesFlops, I am awoken every morning by a flurry of e-mails related to my website which I must attend to. Generally these e-mails are simple acknowledgements of errors that have occurred on the websites; often they are updates offered by our host or system manufacturers; and sometimes they are complaints by users of abuse on the website. Most common of all the e-mails in my inbox are newsletters from various outlets promoting their latest wares; and most rare are those threatening legal action against me and my website.

    I have been unlucky enough to receive half a dozen or so legal threats over the years since I first started PHF in 2012. When we posted about a Natalia Kills song 'Heart To Break' in 2013, we were sent a cease and desist letter from Ms. Kills' team asking us to take the article down as it was regarding a song that was unlawfully obtained. When the Lana Del Rey track 'Noir' was discussed in 2014 before its leak we were sent a cease and desist letter from Music Rights Australia telling us to erase any reference of the track. Earlier this year, we were admonished with fake claims of illegality from an imposter of the artist Allie X who claimed that we were trading her tracks illegally; it was later revealed that they were in fact just a crazed stan who had taken their obsession too far. And the latest legal advice we've received has been from you.

    This morning I woke up to receive the following e-mail from you, hastily copy and pasted with the remnants of a long-lost formatting persisting on:

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    As mentioned, we have received many legal threats in the past, but this is by far the most shoddy and unprofessional one yet. From the unprofessional Gmail address to the poorly researched information on defamation which you clearly copied from an article entitled 'How To Delete Things from the Internet', your e-mail was a trainwreck from the greeting to the sign-off.

    latest?cb=20091026005716Unfortunately, Jay, unlike you I am well aware of my rights and the protections I have under the law of my home country Australia. Over the past three weeks, I have binge-watched five seasons of CBS's hit show The Good Wife (airing Sunday nights at 9pm) and thus have an understanding of the law only matched by the top district attorneys (probably). You claim that our website's lone post about you was defamatory - and yet judging by your own (plagiarised) definitions of defamation it was nothing of the sort. Firstly, you have been grossly misinformed, as we did not post about you on social media. Secondly, as stated in our Terms & Conditions, all posts on #PopHatesFlops are inherently statements of opinion belonging to the users they are made by and thus are not intended for interpretation as fact. As you yourself copy and pasted, "for celebrities and public figures [...] the statement [must] be maliciously untrue - you knew it was false". As is apparent in a quick perusal of our post, Jay, nothing that any of our members said was in fact false - you have admitted to illegally posting a song by Lady Gaga on iTunes, thus violating intellectual property laws. We did not harm your reputation - you handled that all on your own.

    It's equally clear that your request for us to remove our content is simply an effort to avoid permanent evidence of your misdoings to be floating around - misdoings that you admitted in your own e-mail to be illegal, and which are thus not protected by the laws of the United States of America. You seem to now be claiming that you never posted the song at all, and that the whole thing was a dream in the over-active imagination of DJ White Shadow. Rest assured that all posts about you on any website (including your own Tumblr, which you have now deleted) have been documented for good on The Way Back Machine.

    Frankly, the whole attempt at a threatening e-mail was laughable. And possibly the funniest thing about the whole situation is the fact that if you had simply asked me to remove the thread in a polite way without resorting to baseless threats I would have done so.

    The current trend of threatening legal action against those who frustrate you online - whether it be someone telling the truth about you on a forum post, or a music fan who has just leaked a song you were trading just days ago - is snide, unfair and hypocritical, and must be stopped. As such, I will not follow the lead of other websites like GagaDaily who have removed every post written about you from their website; but will stand by the posts that were made on PHF with the full force of the United States and Australian legal systems at my side.

    I hope you rethink your attempts at at a power play, and wish you luck restoring your besmirched name. I sympathise with you for facing legal trouble from a huge corporation such as Interscope and wish you luck in your legal battle - hopefully the judge will be lenient on you and you will not face prison time. Thank you for wishing me a nice day, and I pray you have the same.

    Kind Regards,
    Mo

    Update:

    After conversing further with Mr. Tromp over e-mail, he has publicly and privately apologised for his threats towards us on his Twitter page. In turn, we have agreed to remove the original post as a good-will gesture towards him. We appreciate Mr. Tromp's willingness to sort the situation out. We certainly sympathise with his situation and we wish him all the best in the future. We urge Interscope Records and Lady Gaga's team to forgive him his mistakes as we have done.



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    @trayertrash Let's see when you receive thousands of hate tweets if it's still that hilarious. 3 million tweets all together. Still waiting for a letter of UMG and there are also still hundreds of thousands of blogs, videos and social media posts about the topic. DJWS sent one tweet which caused so many hate and he sent that tweet while he didn't even know what was going on (he was on the beach!). If you try to contact him to discuss anything, he's unavailable. In the meantime, there are still people creating new rumors which I have to take down again - impossible to that for all crap posted online. Anyone who posted the track under my name completely ruined my life and the plans I had in the future and that's not something I accept. Everybody stating wrong things about the illegal release should remove their stuff but how can I tell them? I can't reach millions of people... Then there's Mo creating such posts about me and he only adds: "update, we removed the other post" and he doesn't remove this! I don't think people know in what situation I am and if you think it's my fault, then you don't know either. I'm in a really tough position when it comes to private life (anorexic sister) and school and getting all so much hate doesn't really help

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    I feel bad for Jay and the whole situation, but at the end of the day, someone somewhere will say something that we don't agree with. If Michael Jackson went around trying to shut down every publication that posted rumours and lies about him, he'd never have been able to make the genius music that he did.

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    @Cypher That's true but again: going viral this is BAD SHIT! No problem if people talk about me but death threats go too far, just like thousands of blogs claiming "Jay Tromp illegally uploaded...". I'm still in school and chances of getting a job decline with so many negative rumors, caused by that DJWS guy and whoever uploaded something under my name. There are even illegal download sites sharing that song while it's more than 3 years old

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    1 hour ago, Guest Jay said:

    @Cypher That's true but again: going viral this is BAD SHIT! No problem if people talk about me but death threats go too far, just like thousands of blogs claiming "Jay Tromp illegally uploaded...". I'm still in school and chances of getting a job decline with so many negative rumors, caused by that DJWS guy and whoever uploaded something under my name. There are even illegal download sites sharing that song while it's more than 3 years old

    Your situation sucks, but you're also not the first person to go through it. Let's just go back a few years and remember Rebecca Black. She was like what 14 when "Friday" came out? She got death threats from basically the entire internet, not just the Gaga-fans. Instead of being bogged down by what people were saying, she continued to pursue recording new music to move past "Friday". She ended up releasing enough singles for an EP and yet the world still ended up forgot about her, her music, and "Friday". People (pretty much just Gaga-fans anyway) will move on as soon as the next headline comes out.

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    4 hours ago, Guest Jay said:

    @Cypher That's true but again: going viral this is BAD SHIT! No problem if people talk about me but death threats go too far, just like thousands of blogs claiming "Jay Tromp illegally uploaded...". I'm still in school and chances of getting a job decline with so many negative rumors, caused by that DJWS guy and whoever uploaded something under my name. There are even illegal download sites sharing that song while it's more than 3 years old

    At the end of the day, you knew what you did was going to create a problem. You literally plastered your name onto a fanmade Cake single cover and illegally posted it to iTunes. The song was given out for free on soundcloud 3 years ago, and 3 years later Mr. Jay Tromp puts his name on something he didn't even create and tried to pay his bills. This is gonna cause articles and a lot of talk. Maybe think next time?

    Side note, if you wanna send me the remaining Gaga tracks that were on Paul's computer, that'd be hot.

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    9 hours ago, Guest Jay said:

    @trayertrash Let's see when you receive thousands of hate tweets if it's still that hilarious. 3 million tweets all together. Still waiting for a letter of UMG and there are also still hundreds of thousands of blogs, videos and social media posts about the topic. DJWS sent one tweet which caused so many hate and he sent that tweet while he didn't even know what was going on (he was on the beach!). If you try to contact him to discuss anything, he's unavailable. In the meantime, there are still people creating new rumors which I have to take down again - impossible to that for all crap posted online. Anyone who posted the track under my name completely ruined my life and the plans I had in the future and that's not something I accept. Everybody stating wrong things about the illegal release should remove their stuff but how can I tell them? I can't reach millions of people... Then there's Mo creating such posts about me and he only adds: "update, we removed the other post" and he doesn't remove this! I don't think people know in what situation I am and if you think it's my fault, then you don't know either. I'm in a really tough position when it comes to private life (anorexic sister) and school and getting all so much hate doesn't really help

    Jay, I'm sorry if you misunderstood our initial agreement, but if you check our e-mail conversation you'll see that I never said I would remove this article and only promised to remove the original post regarding the situation as a good will gesture to you. I spent quite a while composing this article and would like to maintain it in case you make good on your threats to attempt legal action. That said, I have clearly amended the post to express my public support for your situation and to suggest leniency to whoever may be contacting you regarding the situation in the future. While I strongly disagree with how you've handled this entire situation, I bear you no ill will and as stated in my e-mail I will definitely be around if you need anyone to talk to about the issue.

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    Anybody that knew this guy Jay before this hysteria knows that he is a thief when it comes to music. Check out his youtube, the fake label "groundbreaking records" youtube account, or his indaba music account and shazaam "his" tracks. It is a joke. He has been confronted multiple times by members of said communities and his level of delusion is astonishing as he goes into defense mode (see these comments). He seems to be a stan who is well versed in the nefarious use of social media. While he tries to laughably say someone uploaded a song to his account for some unknown reason it is apparent it was him when the "art" used alongside the track is the same font and aesthetic as a lot of other tracks he has posted. It is sad he thinks people are this stupid.

    Normally I would agree with some and feel bad for this kid as he will have a tough road ahead going toe to toe with a deep legal team such as Interscopes. Not in this case, he has been warned before and this is a classic case of getting what is coming to you. Sad part is it seems this kid is sick enough to enjoy the infamy he is getting. Always referencing how many people are tweeting him messaging him blah, blah, blah...In a day when the internet finds their next donkey of the day you will be forgotten but your legal issues will still be there. I'll wait with baited breathe for special kid to reply to this post looking for sympathy or trying to tragically lie and explain himself but one thing is for certain, the actions you take create the reality you live in.

    take a lap jay

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    Wow, ↑ that is some serious shade. You must be one of those persons who looks at every blog or website where he can post negative stuff about me... GBR isn't a fake label, they just started last year and it was founded by Sean Harper, Coree Young and Kindrick McAllister, three hard working Americans. You have no idea what you're saying too. I am not enjoying the attention, why would I? It's not positive attention... There are songs where I use samples that are not mine, true but every DJ/producer/whatever does that and it's OK to do so. I go in defense mode because I know exactly where I stand, what I did and what I didn't do. I have no problem when people talk about me, nor when it's negative but when people are throwing shade at me for no reason, I do get mad. There won't be a legal team of Interscope to judge me. First of all because they are a subdivision of Universal Music Group, secondly because there is nothing to judge me. Now, who are YOU to judge me? You are the same guy who's harassing me on Indaba and that's the person who only sees the bad things. For some reason, you never talk about my SoundCloud where there are more than enough of my remixes for Spinnin' Records. There's also more than enough original work on Indaba besides the remixes. Original work that took several hours, days, to write. You only see the things on the web but I used to do much more, recording songs with my niece and uncle, attending masterclasses, taking drum lessons, etc. That you don't see all this, doesn't mean it's not there! I used to work hard on it but I've decided to set my goals somewhere else. The fact that my sister's situation is getting worse and the fact that I'm struggling with school made me realize I should spend more time on the things besides music. In other words: there won't be much new stuff from me the upcoming weeks/months but I'll be back. Too bad you never got to hear 'Some Kind Of Wonderful' or 'Desert Girl', two awesome originals which made Virgin Records contact me via Jessica Gonyea. There's much more of this work and it's too bad that you didn't mention that in your awful post. For example, take 'If I Ever Lose My Faith In You' on my SoundCloud. Those vocals were extracted from a performance by Lady Gaga so they're not 100% legal. Though, the track is mine and it's pretty cool. So is 'Up In The Air', a song I made with kids for a special project. The song was played on several radio stations, won a prize on Indaba and it's featured in on Indaba Sync. Those are things you DON'T mention and that is wrong Anthony! I am a real musician and getting all this hate is not something I'm enjoying, don't know why you're implying that... This and reasons I mentioned earlier made me cancel some events and I will also not take any new bookings from Universal Talents and Gigstarter, two platforms I work with. You can think a lot of me but don't put it on the web because that what you are thinking is not true. There won't be legal issues for me and I'm not tragically lying to you.

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    ↑ As predicted here is the sad rebuttal after someone calls out this kid on his historical pattern of stealing people's music...nothing I said was untrue and it is all well documented, but you should probably save your explanations for the judge...

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    Will this feud win Drama Of The Year at the 2016 PHF Rewind Awards? Please sign up and stayed tuned at pophatesflops.com (your #1 choice for everything pop culture) today!  

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    Anybody that knew about this kid before isn't surprised one bit by all of this, he seems to have a sick obsession with "fame", hopefully he grows out of this and realizes the long disappointing road ahead if he keeps dedicating his life to trying to convince other people on social media he is some sort of prodigal music kid who travels the world with real ace producers/musicians (spoiler alert: he's not)

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    Over the past three weeks, I have binge-watched five seasons of CBS's hit show The Good Wife (airing Sunday nights at 9pm) and thus have an understanding of the law only matched by the top district attorneys (probably).

    I cackled :stretcher:

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    On 4/10/2016 at 2:54 PM, Guest Jay said:

    Wow, ↑ that is some serious shade. You must be one of those persons who looks at every blog or website where he can post negative stuff about me... GBR isn't a fake label, they just started last year and it was founded by Sean Harper, Coree Young and Kindrick McAllister, three hard working Americans. You have no idea what you're saying too. I am not enjoying the attention, why would I? It's not positive attention... There are songs where I use samples that are not mine, true but every DJ/producer/whatever does that and it's OK to do so. I go in defense mode because I know exactly where I stand, what I did and what I didn't do. I have no problem when people talk about me, nor when it's negative but when people are throwing shade at me for no reason, I do get mad. There won't be a legal team of Interscope to judge me. First of all because they are a subdivision of Universal Music Group, secondly because there is nothing to judge me. Now, who are YOU to judge me? You are the same guy who's harassing me on Indaba and that's the person who only sees the bad things. For some reason, you never talk about my SoundCloud where there are more than enough of my remixes for Spinnin' Records. There's also more than enough original work on Indaba besides the remixes. Original work that took several hours, days, to write. You only see the things on the web but I used to do much more, recording songs with my niece and uncle, attending masterclasses, taking drum lessons, etc. That you don't see all this, doesn't mean it's not there! I used to work hard on it but I've decided to set my goals somewhere else. The fact that my sister's situation is getting worse and the fact that I'm struggling with school made me realize I should spend more time on the things besides music. In other words: there won't be much new stuff from me the upcoming weeks/months but I'll be back. Too bad you never got to hear 'Some Kind Of Wonderful' or 'Desert Girl', two awesome originals which made Virgin Records contact me via Jessica Gonyea. There's much more of this work and it's too bad that you didn't mention that in your awful post. For example, take 'If I Ever Lose My Faith In You' on my SoundCloud. Those vocals were extracted from a performance by Lady Gaga so they're not 100% legal. Though, the track is mine and it's pretty cool. So is 'Up In The Air', a song I made with kids for a special project. The song was played on several radio stations, won a prize on Indaba and it's featured in on Indaba Sync. Those are things you DON'T mention and that is wrong Anthony! I am a real musician and getting all this hate is not something I'm enjoying, don't know why you're implying that... This and reasons I mentioned earlier made me cancel some events and I will also not take any new bookings from Universal Talents and Gigstarter, two platforms I work with. You can think a lot of me but don't put it on the web because that what you are thinking is not true. There won't be legal issues for me and I'm not tragically lying to you.

    Explain me this then:

    Jay Tromp – Netherlands | Ron Hagen & Pascal M - Riddles In The Sand
    Jay Tromp – The Rain | Matt Vasto – Rain
    Jay Tromp – Outlines | Argentina – Chalk Outlines
    Jay Tromp – Waves | Addal ft. Neenah – Waves 
    Jay Tromp - Let Me Go | Brainsick ft. Filth Collins - Let Me Go

    You didn't take SAMPLES, you took the WHOLE SONG and added (original mix) and put it on your "EP"! WHY?? Why do you do these things? The music that you upload is stolen, the pics you upload are stolen, clips... and everyone figured that out. What's the point of your scamming if everyone figured you out?? That you're fake, some wannabe-famous-producer kid. Stop acting like you're someone you'll never be.

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    On 4/27/2016 at 4:09 AM, Chanel said:

    I already have done for like 5 years, such a shame it's ending.

    Slay that promo though :stretcher:

    That's so long! :shocked: I just got into it like a month ago but I've already watched almost every episode. :stretcher: Alicia is my inspiration tbh. <3 

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